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Information about what our cadets are experiencing at West Point.
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It's there when I need information about WP.
I have no other background sources to rely upon.
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the support
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Info that is available there, also, help with common West Point parent's problems.
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The FAQs
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information,questions,answers, the connection to USMA from a great distance and the good feeling of fellowship of a majority of alike people
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Support of other parents like us. Easy access to answers to all our many questions about West Point and our plebe's life there.
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The parent comraderie.
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Place to get reliable information, fairly quickly, and sometimes with a variety of answers, which I can then 'digest'.
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learning about WP
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It's a great source of information for parents.
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It is a means to keep up on what's going on at West Point.
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general information
questions answered
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The information broadcast keeps me informed of what is going on at West Point. As a plebe parent,all news is very relevant and this is especially true for parents who are living a great distance away from their student.
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The many channels where communiction could take place
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open discussion of cadet related issues and parent concerns, USMA do's, don't's, lessons learned, where to go, where to stay, etc.
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information provided-
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good sorce of information
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I most enjoyed the sharing of information and ideas amongst parents.
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I have only been on two weeks but reading the questions and comments of others is very informative and also encouraging. Concern about how reliable dates and information, though. Ex: I read that Recognition will be March 11, however my parent club has posted March 12.
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It is an invaluable source of information about West Point. I could not imagine life without it.
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It is nice to get a bit of news (almost everyday) related to WP.
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The information given and the questions of parents which help reflex needs that can to be addressed in State WPPClubs to help better prepare them for the WP experience.
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Connection with other parents, ability to learn more about what is happening at WP, ask questions
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Interchange with parents,
place to ask questions and get answers,
help with rides,
help with tickets,
help with schedules,
help with whatever!!
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Getting information about USMA. Knowing more about our son's world.
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Information re: everyday life at West Point, concerns of cadets, events that involve all cadets (recognition day, Beast, acceptance day), the needs of the cadets, when parent intervention is good (or not needed), etc.
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access to information not otherwise easily obtainable.
being able to request assistance/help/advise/info from other parents.
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Being able to get info when I need it and to realize that the "dumb" questions that I have are being asked by other parents( I am not alone!)
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I used to like the open discussion and exchange of ideas, stupid, inane or whatever. When a question was asked , anyone could chime in and try to help without the risk of being called "techno-liter"In the past 6 months, I have lost complete interest in even logging on. I really wasn't interested in seeing members be chastised and reprimanded for being stupid and expressing an opinion that the moderator considered to be technoliter.
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general support offered
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I like the information I get from it. I feel that I know what is going on and I don't have to depend on getting everything from my cadet
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Information
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I can hear what others are saying/asking...and possibility lend some assistance.
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Like most of us, we enjoy seeing what other parents and cadets are going through and thinking about.
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The information available has been most helpful in calming our fears of this huge committment our son has made. The incite of other parents experiencing this event has given us much comfort.
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Getting information from what other parents ask.
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I enjoy hearing about the experiences of older cadets and their parents; we have a plebe, and their wisdom has helped us through this first year.
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It keeps me informed about what is happening at WP. I like to hear about past rituals, events and history. I even like reading the poems and songs that have been a part of WP. I like open and frank discussion. I think it is healthy.
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Support
information - we often know more than our cadet aout what'sgoing on
Makes us feel more a part of our son's life
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I am a computer novice who appreciates whatever I get without complaint. Unless or until I am willing to to do the work that others are obviously doing for my benefit, I will go along with whatever is best for them.
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feeling connected
support
obtaining needed info
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Concise and accurate information, questions answered promptly.
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Sharing with other involved parents
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The information received through the postings that keep me aware of the happenings at West Point.
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Getting information, keeping in touch with what is going on at WP. Helping others cope.
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Very informative...answers many questions and I know that I am not alone in some very anxious moments during my cadet's life at WP
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We have appreciated being kept up-to-date on the news and happenings at the Academy. We have been able to feel more involved by expanding our level of knowledge about the rules, regulations and traditions that make the Academy such a special place. Also, we have been able to advise others and share with them some of the experiences that we've encountered through our journey. The parent-net has been a great partner and has allowed us to more fully become the "Spirit behind the Corps".
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Factual information regarding life at WP and helpful hints for parents and cadets. Especially appreciate bussing and schedualing information. Often we get info before the cadets (at least mine). I appreciate hearing accounts of events like recognition and getting copies of speaches given to the cadets (as in Powell). And even though the list has heard some of these things before I appreciated hearing about tax issues, long underwear, corfam shoes etc. I appreciate hearing the answers to others questions because some of them are mine as well. WPP is a vital link between me and my son and I appreciate it very much!
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Solid and timely information about West Point.
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need someone to "police" the Humor-net, there have recently been many postings that were #1 not humorous, #2 were just links to commercial sites
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I think the new parent-forum list is a good idea for the exchange of questions and comments as long as some "old-timers" participate to share their experiences with the novices.
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I think that establishing a new parent-forum is a great idea. We personally love to get lots of email and have felt "let down" lately at the lack of communication from the parents' net. I have been afraid to ask questions, for fear of breaking a rule, and therefore have had some misgivings about the direction that the net has taken. I appreciate all the time and effort that everyone puts in, but do think that some changes were necessary.
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None. Things are well organized and effective as they are. It will be interesting to see what is experienced by the new, more open format of parent-forum. If it succeeds, great. But, I share Dolf's concern about bringing the whole thing down as happened with the Air Force.
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NOTHING IN DOLF'S!!!
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I am thrilled to the point of tears to see the formation of this new forum. The discussions during the past week or so have hurt deeply. I feel almost a personal kinship with Dolf and Judy, as well as other parents who post regularly, even though I have never met them. I was shocked when Dolf did not back down, but now I hope I can understand why. This new forum should supply the link that we have wished for, but not at the expense of the ideal Dolf has established. Thank you Diann for being willing to take on this challenge. I hope your daughter knows how lucky she is.
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Free and open discussions. No hidden agendas. Friendly interaction.
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I think everything is great. I appreciate any and all information sent out. Thank you Dolf for many, many hours of work for our benefit, and thank you Dian for your new undertaking with parent-forum.
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This appears to be a move in the right direction, providing a source for information/questions for those who feel the need
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Have no opinion at this time.
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Glad for a more informal format being made available.
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I would like to see the parents' clubs report on activities or special events that are held throughout the year. It would be nice to see if we should add or change anything to make our club more effective.
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Would like to see a TAC officer on-line with the net, as alot of questions could be officially answered without rumor
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I would like to continue to ask about tickets for games and rides for cadets.
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I have no suggestions
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As few restrictions as possible. I have a delete key.
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No rules, just let us decide what to delete.
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Maybe one serious information passer-on and one lighter - somehow, some of the psuedo-duplicate nets are confusing and cross over each other but I'll muddle through and read everything - at least once!
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none - just keep the info coming
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I wish we had a place to input our opinions about administrative decisions/policies. We fear the Supe gets very limited feed back. Do also enjoy general BS about WP so look somewhat forward to the new parent-forum but they have lots of rules too.
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I must say I have enjoyed the increased amount of mail that has come through lately. It had seemed so quiet for a while that I began to wonder if I had been unsubscribed. I like hearing any questions and answers that have to do with WP or the Army. It is all very helpful and interesting.
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would like to know more about the daily happenings at West Point-academics and otherwise
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Just what you've done. An open forum for the parents!
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With the exception of the techno-liter, I thought that Dolf was doing a fine job. I received the info I needed.
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i'm still abit confused about all of it...i am not even sure which nets i subscribe to but i get a lot of "stuff"...i am not very computer literate but i read it all...i have never posted anything except army-navy tickets on the bulletin board of the academy.parents.org
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Basically they're in good shapre; it would be nice to get the rideshare feature somehow refined.
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I'm hoping this new service will speak to most of the needed changes. I, like many other parents, became increasingly reluctant to use the net for fear of reprimand or emabarrassment. I would go to any length(make long distance telephone calls, try multiple sources) to avoid asking a question. It rather defeated the original purpose of the net. I was beginning to feel that the net should simply shut down, issue a handbook of FAQ's and send out updates. I think those issues may now be resolved.
Regarding the specific class lists--I think parents of the other classes might be very interested in issues pertaining to firsties--we were told to post questions and information about graduation only to the '99 list. Parents of other classes might learn a great deal by seeing what is happening with graduation--it would help them prepare and plan when their turn comes. I'm sorry they will be excluded--again, they could always use the delete button if they don't care to read graduation information. I was given a copy of '98's graduation week full schedule and found it very useful.
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If I do not wish to read information I simply delete it. It doesn't offend me as I delete a lot of things I don't need
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THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD NOT MAKE COMMENTS OR ASK QUESTIONS IN FEAR OF DOLF'S
REMINDER OF POLICY VIOLATION, HOWEVER, IN ORDER FOR THE INTERNET COMMUNICATION TO BE SUCCESSFUL THERE IS A FINE LINE WHERE COMMUNICATION COULD GET OUT OF HAND. I FEEL THE MAJORITY WILL CONDUCT THEMSELVES WITH THE APPOPRIATE BEHAVIOR BUT THERE WILL BE A FEW THAT MAY NOT FOLLOW THE NEW RULES. THE ARGUING ON THE NET IS VERY DISTURBING.
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It seems that there is getting to be more and more a replication, duplication and general multiplication of these many, many lists. I hate to say it, but I am rather confused and bewildered by all this plus the multiple different places I get sent to on the internet.
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Again I appreciate everyone's efforts.
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More freedom in asking for help with real problems - being able to receive advice and support from others Plebe Net
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I'm very, VERY satisfied with the way Dolf has structured and moderated his lists. I don't want to sacrifice that. I'm a bit concerned that we are now seemingly going to support an opened-ended, much more chattery list and this is distinctly not one that REQUIRES payment.
I don't want the burden of carrying the volume created by that list to cause equipment overload that makes all the rest of the lists suffer from breakdowns in equipment.
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I know Dolf gets frutstrated with people who break the rules. It surprises the heck out of me that so many people seem to break the rules, without realizing they are. Maybe the rules are too complicated, but you have to have rules. I don't object to any of the current rules, although I think reminders about the rules need to be a little kinder. I don't like the idea of trying to change some of the most important thing about WPP-Net into "automatic" bulletin boards. The only way that ticket exchanges are going to really work well and the only way ride sharing help is going to be addresssed is if you can send out an email to the group. Relying on a bulletin board is just not going to that helpful to many people.
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Every WP parent should have the opportunity to post all sorts of questions, from silly to serious.
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that membership be strictly open - not based on a monetary subscription. Surely, some families are
penalized for their financial situation. Donations should continue to be asked for; That there be an annual financial accounting of Dolf's academyparents.org; that Dolf be held accountable to the wp-org "board of advisors" for his treatment of members: ie his recent suspension of members that expressed their opinions in desiring change (although warned, they really did not break rules and he provoked the situation) and especially his suspension of the members that *did not post any other messages after his "warnings"*, yet for some unknown reason they too were unsubscribed - including myself and without any knowledge. I only happened to discover it through my contact with other parents that I was not receiving messages. I also had recently paid my second semester subscription fee of $25 of which Dolf was personally aware; that wpp-net and plebe-net postings automatically appear on the parent-forum - don't know if that is possible, but at this point, I would just as soon sever my connection with Dolf;Regular evaluations of all nets and moderators performed by the board of advisors (just as you have arranged this one)
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I like seeing the ride sharing on the net as I think that people who are going in that direction might not look up to see if someone needs a ride.
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Glad to have a net that one can self monoter, ie the delete button. You never know what info is or may be useful in the future and I read it all. Surprise some of it does come in handy at a later date.
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I think it works well.
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The open availablity to ask even the dumbest questions without censorship and the abiltiy to respond with out being told that you can't.
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Basically, a more open forum like this new one seems to be.
I heard a comment from a yearling parent that there was too much litter on the net and she doesn't go on it(but she also had a grad '98 already) so I think she might have outgrown it.
For me, it has been a godsend!!!!
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I still think it is difficult for many of us to access the FAQ's through the automated system. (I don't think the majordomo likes me.) But knowing that Dolf is willing to help when we have problems getting the info. on our own, is reassuring. People may need to be reminded that it is okay to ask for that help.
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I like the idea of being able to ask questions and not be punished.
I also like the idea that MAYBE I can help someone with a question or problem
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At this stage, I find it confusing as to who does what. I have read the current e-mails, and still find it confusing. I am not sure what information will come from what list.
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Have people answer directly to the list. When someone asks a question, there are lots of us waiting to hear the answer. It used to come right back for all to read. Now, a question gets asked, and half the time the group doesn't get to see the answer. Nothing is too trivial really.Don't be afraid to appear dense....lots of people have the same questions.
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I am glad to see the new parent-forum....I have missed a bit of the give and take as well as the odd questions that provide info about WP that I wouldn't have thought to ask.
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Would like to see a bit more exchange of upperclass ideas on the wpp-net. There are still questions and concerns for cow and firstie parents. It appears that the new wp-org may be of most use to plebe families because of its very open platform. Very much like this new net and thank Dolf for his very understanding attitude toward parents who felt that they had a need to know and share -- despite techno-litter! Thanks for hearing us. Your patience with near revolution was most admirable and appreciated.
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Right now I am trying to absorb all the differences in the "nets" and try to figure out what I need to post where to get the answer I am looking for. I wish there was just one "net" which would be for all of everyone's thoughts and concerns
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see above
Perhaps it would be a good idea to send out a broadcast listing what's currently available---the different lists-----and what the commands are to unsubscribe, how to submit questions/comments, etc. It seems this would cut down on emails directed at Dolf and Dian and others
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no question is stupid
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ride postings back on
(some people do not check Academy Parent page and therefor never know that others need rides)
postings too strict - use the delete button if you don't want to read sonething
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I have been satisfied with information listed to date.
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Do not be condesending, or "uppity". Many times, I would like to respond to those types of postings with a simple "EAT SHIT AND DIE", but I don't. I just shake my head and delete.
On the other hand cyberspace is the last bastion of free speach. "Eat shit and die" does convey a clear, concise thought and I can respect that.
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Tolerance
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Camaraderie, ride share help, less hostility & more acceptance, like to see variety in answers as we often have difference experiences w/ same subject
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I think this net will be interesting and I look forward to a little more ease in asking questions and learning from everyones answers. This parent forum should be exciting.
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I hope the new parent-forum will BE the change we all want. A place where NO question will be techno-litter. Where we can ask that one question that has really been bothering us. As has been repeatedly stated--we all know how to use our delete button.
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The current loosening of restrictions as allowed by the current Parent Forum is absolutely needed. On the other hand, there is always the opportunity for this to become a rumor site when the real poop is needed.
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Less techno litter restrictions
More friendly attitude to enable parents to feel comfortable about using this service.
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Looking forward to the new parent-forum --
I don't want it so high tech I am lost--I am your basic aol and Mac person-my husband is worse!
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I think I like the new format. Maybe a chat room would be helpful for WP parents.
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definition of terms when they are new such as
IM= instant message
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Don't know at this point..shall be able to give an answer as time goes on.
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we feel that by implementing this new parent-forum list, any problems regarding peoples' concerns about "tech-no liter" will be eliminated. i might add that we felt tech-no liter was not a problem for us-there is a delete button.
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With this new list, everything is satified for us. We have the AcademyParents net for structured communication and accurate information, and the new parent-forum for informal conversation, etc.
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You're doing fine--especially with this less-restrictive parent forum.
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They are just fine. Continue to keep the information coming and I am satisfied. What I'm not interested in can be easily deleted. I would rather have more than less.
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Understanding that some of us simply CANNOT afford to pay fees or make donations. Can we say food stamps?
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more official information posted. and also more
open discussion.
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More open communication particularly if someone has a major concern.
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Seems to work great now
I like the idea of a less formal forum on a seperate list.
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I don't like all of the very recent "techno-litter." Today I removed ourselves from the new moderator mailing list. I hope that puts me back to the procedure Dolf had been using.
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I like the nice, folksy questions and answers (techno litter) that were so reassuring last summer and in early fall. Everything seems to have taken on such a serious tone lately. I would never ask a question myself for the fear of being admoinshed befor hundreds of lurkers like myself.
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I think I am going to enjoy seeing some of the so-called techno-litter again. I have missed it...but also hope that people will do so with dignity and the pride of WP parents.
I fondly remember the Christmas story of Maude, also some of the poems, alerts to new (or old) books, videos, etc. about WP, and even our Plebe year when the great debate was what color (or whether we should wear) ribbons on our pins to note that we were part of the Net during Plebe Weekend!
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more interaction
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Parent forum can be a place for all questions to be answered by other oparents, not the academy. Cadet experiences cannot be compiled in FAQ's, they need to be up to the minute current.
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Seems like the changes I would like have already been addressed with the addition of the parent-forum list.
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I would like to see the answers to questions asked rather than have the replies go only to the person asking the question. Or it is really nice when the person asking the question summarizes the answers that were received.
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It's still early. I'll watch what happens.
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I must admit I still do not know all of the "nets" that you listed at the beginning. I also do not know how to access archived information on particular subjects. That is why I really appreciate the fact sheets that Dolf has put together (recognition, etc.)
I also really enjoy the descriptive visits by the photographer.
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I like the new net that just opened up to provide a broader forum, and release the pressure from the net Dolf so ably administers, but that didn't meet the needs of all the members to be able to ask those pesky "dumb questions" which in actuality are stupid only if they are NOT asked.
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Replay to sender not the "list" I think this is done in the new parent forum?
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I think the implementation of a separate list (parent-forum) devoted to opinion and commentary is good if it serves the needs of some members. Members should be aware, however, that no amount of opinion equals one good fact.
I would also like to say how impressed I am with the balanced and thoughtful way Dolf fulfills the difficult job of list moderator. His responses are not only well-researched, but cheerful, kind, and mostly positive. I hope that he will continue the good work.
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I don't think that I think anything needs to be changed, as long as we are able to ask for help when we think something is important. I think the parent-forum will give us that, it seems to me, since we've been asked not to ask the little things such as rides, etc., on the other net.
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I think the parent-forum has rounded out the service and couldn't ask for more and appreciate Dolf's super dedication!
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I, too, am confused as to which is which. Being new to computers I am doing good to complete this survey...will it end up where it should or in cyber space somewhere...who knows? There are so many lists and FAQ and places to find ticket, ride, tax, etc information I really don't know where to go to get what I need. There should be a phone book that computer idiots like me can look up a subject to see which net to find that info on without getting in trouble.
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I am very pleased with the establishment of the new parent forum. I too was disappointed with the net of the last 6 months.
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I may unsubscribe to parent-forum due to increased number of messages that are irrelevant.
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I am happy with the open parent forum. I found the other lists to be only minimally helpful & I was very reluctant to post or ask any questions.
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The idea of having a central directory or menu to go into and click on for the information desired is good. We have our sons lady friend graduating this year and will be making the trip in May -- hence we will still want to check out some of the local information. Having information in an easily accessible form makes it easier on everyone. Our web site here at my work has been noted for that: http://www.ded.state.ne.us
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Can I think about it?
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After being a member of the new parent-forum list for only a day or two, I feel overhwhelmed by the load of daily e-mail messages. I'm probably going to have to unsubscribe because I just don't have the time to sift through all of the (22 came today--Monday, Feb. 22!!!) e-mails! One can see why some restrictions were needed (by Dolf) to avoid letting the whole situation get out of control. As parents overuse the parent-forum, more and more members will unsubscribe, leaving fewer readers/resources for answering questions, etc.
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As the wpp-net has and will continue to evolve, I believe that the entire internet communications system is going in the right direction. As with any new system, changes and additions come about. It is flexible and up to date. Keep up the good work.
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None. I think Dolf and others have done a remarkable and thankless job.
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I am so backward, computer-wise, that even when simple directions are given they use a language I often do not understand. It would be so great to put all the instructions "in English".
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I am happy the way things were when I joined in June of 1997
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I like the new parent-forum. My only suggestion would be that comments remain positive and that parents not be allowed to be critical of the West Point administration. In my first year on Plebe-net that was one of the early rules and I think it was very effective.
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Less rules
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I DO like being able to ask anything. However, I realize that it does create a lot of postings that many are not interested in in the least. But having been in a position of not knowing something that I felt I needed to know quickly, I had always thought I could go to the Parents Net and get an answer, many many. My question could be very silly to some, but in that moment, it wasa very important to me. SUMMARY: I see both sides. I think the new set-up will ease the tension for all.
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I don't see where there are any changes really necessary. I think that the parent forum as it has sort of evolved from the WPP-Net was helpful to many of us who were seeking information for a variety of reasons. I never felt that there was anything wrong with asking for help on a particular subject and for us if it did not pertain to us we just deleted it, and went on.
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I have enjoyed the aformentioned nets however it had gotten very"busness"like in recent times.I like this developmnt., however I fervently hope it doesn't become the net for discontents.
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I think there is enough for everyone. Parents
need to educate themselves on how various lists
work and how to get information. Needs change
over four years and warm-fuzzy chat lines might
be OK in the beginning, but take up a lot of time.
Now that cadets have phones, communicating with
them is a lot more timely and not dependent on
their e-mail. Having a menu of services depending
on need is a great idea.
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an exchange of ideas, information, advice, events, RIDES, TICKET INFO, etc..
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lighten up on the wpp-net
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I'm SO glad not to have the fear of censorship! I only posted once (and my daughter is Class of '99). I enjoy seeing how other parents have come up with solutions to problems we all face, and support each other by being ready, willing, and now able, to pass those suggestions/solutions along.
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Just keep it up and going.
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Continue to have good exchanges of information within a flexible set of rules. Not an iron clad boundry. After all, all are not computer buffs. I would wager that many of the parents have only recently gotten onto the net to participate in this very special experience.
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Keep it friendly. Too many restrictions have caused many parents much anguish.
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Not any thing I can think of right now with the start of the new parent forum.
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A more open forum.
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Too many rules on some - I had always thought there were no stupid questions - maybe archive data files could be forwarded to each new user and some of their answers could be found before they even asked them, just by reading some of the standard, frequently asked questions.
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Like them the way they are NOW!!
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I think the Parents Forum is a great compliment to Academy Parents. As the father of a Yearling, I am beginnign to get the feeling (at times) that I've "been there, done that". However, when my busy schedul;e permits, I enjoy reading and hearing how other parents are doing with the "West Point experience on an up close and personnel basis.
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None that I can think of. The nets work fine for me. Nice that the parents forum was added to fill the need for us parents to interact. The web site is great, and a great way to get the info (better than majordomo) without cluttering up the e mail nets.
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We are going to have to drop parent forum net because there are too many messages coming. We use an office computer & we must limit our mail :^( Hope we still get the "essentials" from the other nets we're subscribed to.
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Parent-forum:
Too many posts that don't say anything of
importance.
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I believe the new arrangement of 2 separate information exchange forums is more effective and provides a better communications tool for
"new cadet parents" to vent their anxieties.
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The separation of a parent forum has been a great improvement. There were too many complaints being logged by those in violation of the rules of the listservers
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I think the new parents forum is a help for some parents to just "vent" and have the opportunity to talk. The other existing "nets" have worked well and I appreciate all of the efforts that have gone into putting them together and maintaining them.
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I'm happy with what we've got and the added less-restricted forum is a good vehicle, too.
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I think the solution of the new parent forum is great.
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You're the pro - I leave that up to you.
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I think the addition of a more open format is helpful to some--and easily deleted or unsubscribed for others.
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Just more information of any type. Let me be the judge of what is pertinent.
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The new parent-forum offers a more relaxed way for parents to stay in touch with each other and with West Point activites. I think its formation was an answer to prayers for parents who needed the relaxed atmosphere for questions and support.
I have no criticism OR changes to offer about the lists. They offer different (needed) things to different people. Anyone who doesn't need or want what the lists have to offer is free to unsubscribe.
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We would support any changes that can make all the moderators jobs easier, including paying a reasonable fee for service if necessary.
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On most lists, given the user group, I would suggest a once a month general announcement on how to use the FAQs and how to download from majordomo, including the example of downloading the index. Between the new users and the unsophisticated user that only occassionally has the need to access either of those resources I think it would be useful and could be the same message sent once a month--technoliter to some, but also useful to many.
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i'm really confused about the "new" parents-net. i subscribed in 97/98 and was able to share ride info, ticket info, hotel info, etc - all those things our cadets don't quite have all the DETAILS about and some things our cadets don't have the resources for that parents concern themselves with. i moved in the fall of 98 and resubcribed in jan 99 only to find the same "services" not available. for instance, the new policy re rides on the parents-net is that it is the cadet's responsibility. i find as a parent, though, that i can handle carpool arrangements within a 100 mile radius MUCH better that my cadet who has no clue of which road goes where, what's "on the way", etc. when seeking/offering rides. however with the inception of parent-forum, we can now exchange all the info we need to. some things that are not of value to cadets are of value to parents and it's important for us to share as much info with each other as possible. a good example is with plebe parent weekend last year. my cadet had no clue that his teenage sibling could attend the formal - i found that out through other parents on the net. turns out that my daughter and her friend came with us and had a blast. that type of info is invaluable to us as parents and we need a forum (i don't care which one, or what it's called) in which to share it. i appreciate all the work that goes into managing these lists - i never even used e-mail before my cadet went to WPT, so for an "illiterate" like me, this is of real value.
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I like the current set up. With parent-forum the parents have more chance to ask their questions and make their comments. With Dolf's lists the factual info is there to retreive instantly and this also has its place and need.By having two such different nets the parents, grads, etc. can take their pick on which one/s to belong to. If you don't want to filter through all of the comments, etc. on parent-forum don't join. Pesonally I hit the delete button alot!!!
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As mentioned above, people simply won't take the time to learn the wpp-net system for retrieval of information in its current structure. Maybe there is a way to make it more user friendly.
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I guess I am very easy to please. I appreciate all the lists and nets, the more information I can receive that will help in our planning and keeping abreast of things going on at WP, the better. There are no changes that I feel need to be made.
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All the lists serve a purpose for someone. Each list subcribers can best decide what changes need to be made, BUT the process of making changes needs to be done in a more mature and constructive way that was not shown recently with Dolf's AcademyParents.org/etc subscribers. I guess I am still amazed at the behavior of so many "adults". Maybe each list can have a "suggestion section" or a comment box, Maybe surveys done on a regularly basis with the results printed for that list's subscribers.
The new parent-forum list: redundant info that clutters my screen. Needs to be better moderated or explained. May take time!
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would like Dolf to know how much he is appreciated by this parent who has been on for 3 years. great job! please know that the silent majority love the work you have been doing!!! thank you and judy very much!
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I would like to see a seperate RIDE-Net for ride sharing where anyone needing a ride or wanting a passenger to share the ride could post messages.
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When we first joined the net as new Plebe parents we enjoyed the communication with other parents and then all of a sudden Dolf put a bit halt to any and all such blabber. We tried to let him know what we wanted, but he seemed very set in his ways and closed a wall around him. We are very happy with the new Parent Forum that has been set up and the warm fuzzies it gives us all when we are so far away from our cadet and what is going on at West Point. Thank you Dian and Joannie.
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I have dropped from the WP-ORG list, and would not change Dolph's network.
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I think the new parent's list is great for those that need it. It is filled with chat but it fills a need for those so inclined. Dolf administers the other lists and has kept them fast to their purpose. A thankless job to be sure but thank you Dolf.
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There must be some "medium ground" between the new parent forum which is inundated with chit-chat, and the original forum organized by Dolf that may have become to "limited/strict" in its application.
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I do object to the chattering, emotive nature of the new parent-forum list. Some members seem to want group therapy, and do not get the message that it is completely inappropriate!
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I am satisfied with Dolf's list and how he runs it. There are a lot of folks out there who are a lot talk but would never put their money where their mouth is. I know I couldn't do Dolf's job and I know I wouldn't want to, so I'm grateful that he can and does.
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Until just recently, would have liked more of an open-forum that reflects parents interests. Thought the past forum was too regimented.
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I think that the parent forum has filled the gap for allowing folks to ask questions, express feelings, etc...I just wish Dolf could have been as user friendly as Dian and Joannie seem to be... An example of this is when Dian posted a curtly worded post recently, Dian came on later and apologized , explaining her reasoning,(saying she was tired and rushed when she wrote it,etc) and by doing this, she made the rest of us feel that we were friends, not adversaries, and that we were all adults...In contrast, Dolf would come on the net and chastise and threaten to unsubscribe us because someone voiced an opinion that was not the same as his, said something that he considered "babble", or broke one of the many many rules unintentionally...We are all adults and would like to be treated as such ...The old saying that you get more with honey than with vinegar says it all.
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That most folks do not realize that the list are not official from West Point and possibly could be given incorrect information from a well meaning parent. Although most of the information is 98% accurate, things never stay the same and parents should always check with USMA or their cadets as far as dates.USMA has a FREE Listserver which only posts messages but it is the OFFICIAL listserver from West Point. I think people are extremely confused now
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I'm not sure there need to be any changes now that the parent-forum is available to those who want it. But I also hope there is no duplication of effort, etc. I plan to stick with Dolf because I personally don't need all the info the parent-forum provides.
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Keep up the excellent work at WP-ORG. We rely on it for factual information. Dolf and WPP-net should not be discouraged or chagrined by the start-up of parent-forum. It should indeed be a RELIEF from the burden of WPP-net and Dolf being targets for some parents' anxiety and lack of information about their cadets' activities.
By spawning parent-forum as a COMPLEMENT to WPP-net, it should make WPP-net easier and more fun to moderate due to not having as many techo-litter generators feeling a need to contact Dolf to vent. At the same time, there was obviously a pent-up demand for a more free-wheeling open forum for parents to "chat". So parent-forum will be a great place for that to occur without having WPP-net involved with the chat aspect. It seems like a viable arrangement, they are both valuable in different ways.
Thanks again to everyone who is involved. We truly appreciate your efforts.
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Encourage parents to list information from other army nets and ask/answer ARMY questions. There is a pervasive denial that their cadet is really in the army.
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No changes - like Dolf's formatting, etc. very much
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As long as the moderators of the list servers can maintain control then the current list servers will probably be satisfactory.
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Probably just leave well enough alone on the parent-forum as we can always take ourselves off the list (as many have already done). Let the plebe parents babble and maybe eventually they will realize that they do have grown (maybe that is debatable) children not babies that still need their "Mommies" for everything.
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I like the free form of the parent forum list. I admit that I never would have posted any comments or inquiries on the wpp-net for fear of reprimand, so many questions I had during my daughter's tenure went unanswered. I haven't subscribed to the wpp-net because it's too expensive.
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I think there is a place for both lists. Dolph has done a great job and the information he posts is always relevant. Several times I have had to mail him directly to ask advice and he always been unfailingly patient and polite, not to mention knowledgeable.
The new list serves a purpose and I find I read many of the messges. I would like to see less personal information about cadets etc on it. Good forum however to get info about ride sharing etc. WP seems to have so many rules it is difficult for most parents to keep up with them all. I find my cadet is often simply too busy and overwhelmed to get all of the info he needs all the time and if I can offer a suggestion he usually appreciates it. I think the FAQ's are good, although I often forget how to get there and need to be reminded!
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Dolf should be encouraged to keep doing what he is doing so well. I tune in to parent-forum, but I don't find it very useful.
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I think that a number of parents would like to have more "discussion" amoung themselves. (even if some of it is a duplication)
majordormo is a "pain" to use(from my perspective). there must be another way to access the knowledge base.
Your orginization is to be complemented. What you are doing is not a fixed target but rather a moving target. Prepare for futher changes(not just eq and software) This survey and previous comments show the changing nature of this "beast". To survive, flexiblity with leadership will continue to be important.
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I'm not against change but have been very satisfied with the wpp-net and plebe-net when we were members of that.
I think more information is better than less but feel that there has to been controls over the content.
Thanks to Dolf for the great job you have been doing.
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The new parent-forum is fun. The wpp-net, plebe-net, etc is factual. Both serve very useful functions in keeping us informed and connected to our cadet. Although there has been recent (unpleasant) unrest in the WP internet community, we believe the outcome of the conflict has improved the overall system. Two incongruent needs (emotional support vs facts) could not be met with the same forum/list - the turmoil uncovered the inconsistency & the WP parents created a wonderful solution. Life goes on.... Dolf, you are providing a necessary & appreciated service.
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I have no problems with the way things were done in the past. I appreciate Dolf's time and effort. I fully understand the frustrations of dealing with a diverse group of people. I guess the saying is true "No good job ever goes unpunished." We enjoy plebe-net and wpp-net. We have also gotten some enjoyment from parent-forum but may unsubscribe if the mail volume and lack of real content doesn't change. Without getting too wordy - I spent some time in a copper smelter. In those terms the information on plebe-net and wpp-net is what we would call "concentrate" - much of the needed product and little waste. Parent forum is raw ore - you have to throw away a lot of junk to get to the nuggets. We realize that the "concentrate" is the result of Dolf (and I suppose others) doing the sorting and disciplining the list. We do appreciate the effort and I think there are lots of us out here. We just tend to be "lurkers" and don't always have to have our say. Don't give up on us Dolf.
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Lighten up on the rules. The rules are not as im-
portant as the free flow of information. Members do not need umpteen different places to go to either get the information that they need or post the question that they need answered. These early days of the parent-forum have had a good number of useless (to me) posts. I've deleted them and the number of them decreases with every day. Let them say what they will and throw it away. I'm sure that there are very few of us who don't appreciate the time and effort that Dolf has put into this endeavor. Strict rules with strict enforcement is at the center of the 'debate'. It's my opinion that they should be considerably loosened.
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I don't believe that people are trying to decide which is more important, both of these lists have their purpose and some of us feel that they are both useful.
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Maybe more news from the parents clubs, what they are doing.
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Perhaps some type of calendar/chronology postings on a monthly or seasonal basis. A listing of pertinent (and anticipatory) files/calendars so that members access these before posting. Example: Sept. postings would include football news, fall bus schedules, PPW handbook, long john info, etc. I know it's done now on an occasional basis, but it would be helpful if this were better organized on a set schedule. Members would begin to know when and where to find things --- all timely info released on a regular date each month and/or season.
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I'd allow the parent-forum to coach or enlighten the Plebes' parents. I'd make it a goal of theirs, if they want to take it on. In all, I believe that many of the attitudes that are written are just human nature.
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I use Academyparents.org for some things (mostly FAQ's), but don't find it as useful as I had originally hoped it would be. I still rely more on WPP-net and new parent-forum for most of my questions.
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Ability to filter the info flow so that I receive(or can obtain), for the most part, info that is relevant to what I need/want to know as a parent of a Plebe, Yuk, Cow or Firstie respectively as my cadet moves through the four years at WP
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WPP-Net became too rules-oriented for us and we never posted anything because of fearing doing the wrong thing and being reprimanded. While the new parent-forum certainly has been "wordy", it is a welcome addition. We delete when we aren't interested.
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Don't know enough about any yet to comment due to my son is in the class of 03 so I've only known about this for a short time. I don't even know what all the different groups are or which I'm eligible to read.
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too new to be too critical. appreciated the "business" approach of the wpp-net and learned a great deal from it this year. have also enjoyed the relaxed, "chatty" approach of the new forum--I'm real good at delete when I'm not interested.
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None- there is a place for each, but KEEP DOLF!!!
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Let the parent-forum do their thing and leave Plebe-net and the others the way they are. "if is doesn't have anything to do with "West Point parenting" or whatever the goal of the list is than it does not belong. The amounts of people wanting to get off parent-forum is already staggering.
They will be left with a chat room. So be it.
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Actually, I am pleased with the recent changes. I like the Academy Parents org. and I understand the need for the forum. Both serve distinct purposes. One provides answers to questions that come up on a regular basis, and the other helps with the hard to handle emotional support.
I think both are invaluable tools if used properly.
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None -- I only monitor the mailings for information.
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Continue having seperate forums for allowing parents to "speak-out". Evidently, it is possible have seperate forums. That is excellent for those that wish to have "techno litter" limited and those that need "techno litter" to gather information.
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hell, I like em all!!!!
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I think that the recent changes have been great. I think that we need the Parent-Forum. But there is also an important function that is well served by WPP-Net, Plebe-Net, etc.
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for the record we have unsubscribed to the parent-forum. it is TOO MUCH! the parents sound like they have grade school children instead of college children learning to be leaders.
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My husband and I feel that the new parent forum is only a soapbox for those parents who feel the need to brag or complain. We have not seen one piece of factual or useful information in any of the messages since its inception. Giving into the demands of some disgruntled parents (who knew the structure and guidelines of the wpp and plebe nets when they subscribed)by starting the parent forum seems to have only rewarded their disgusting behavior.
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I think it's fine as it is.
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I satisfied with everything
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Think that the parent-forum list is probably a good outlet for people who need lots of support but could degrade to chat channel.
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Nothing....just keep on going. As things change at the academy your service really puts us on the "cutting edge." The new parent forum is ok...
but it probably will be the first list I drop if it is about things I already learned from you this year. It's good for new plebe families.
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love wpp and plebe - will watch a see if parent-forum survives without too much silliness and trivia junk
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I would like to see things stay as they are now. People who want all the give and take of the Parent-forum can stay with that and every one else can continue on the west-point net, plebe-net. We are all freee to delete anything we are not interested in
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The parent-forum list should be advertised as a chat line. The wpp-net should be advertised as an information list. I prefer clear concise information, not background info on people writing messages and obscure information. However, I realize some people apparently need that type of forum. Please don't change the wwp-net away from an informational service to parents. I have grown to rely upon its availability for a resource for information.
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I'm loathe to make any suggestions as a neophyte
e-mail user and have no idea how complicated
any "simple" suggestion would be.
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This may already be happening, but it would be helpful to know as soon as possible at what time the cadets can leave for the various vacations. The reason is that plane tickets have to be bought so far in advance. This was only a problem for the Spring Break, but the airline was willing to change his ticket without an extra charge.
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I believe both (WP-ORG & wpp-net etc.) compliment each other. They both serve specific functions and avoid conflicts by being separate.
The parent-forum is in it's infancy so it needs some breathing space. Wpp-net etc. has an established set of guidelines that delivers information in a precise, detailed manner and is extremely useful. (see below for suggestion)
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Not a blessed thing other than to have everyone stop whining. We all owe Dolf a deep debt of gratitude and he needs to be recognized for all of his efforts.
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I think both the wpp-net and parent-forum have their appropriate places. We need "official" information and a chance to ask the "dumb" and endless questions that arise during the late hours of the night when we haven't heard from our cadet in several days.
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For many of the parents it seems they are afraid of getting their feelings hurt if asking questions that may sound stupid - and some are because if they read all of the Emails they wouldn't be asking the same questions within two or three days of others asking the same questions. So, if the internet had a home page to go in and ask questions by site or subject matter by clicking on an icon or something everyone might lose their imtimidation of the different lists currently in use!
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The parent-forum is great. It allows much more discussion among the parents. If we don't like the many emails, there is always the good old delete button. We have been told that from the start. I look at the subject heading and if not interested, just hit delete.
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If we have both forums all our needs can be met. I can delete anthing I want to delete. I also want any information that is available.
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I understand both sides of this - those wanting to talk, vent, need help and those of you wanting to keep the amount of mail down. You would almost have to come together and get your differences out in the open-in person-to understand what you both need and would like to see happen. I'm not complaining - just watching from the sidelines.
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I find the new parent-forum is more like a chat room. Instead of cluttering everyones screen with unnecessary message traffic, maybe there should be a chat room hour set up during the week on a regular basis.
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A Very clear home page with easy access to ALL listings.
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We like what is on the WPP-Net web site, and fully understand that it is not any easy task sorting through what should or should not be allowed onto the web site. Since the addition of the parents web site there have been a huge amount of questions by parents seeking information about various topics and I think that that is good. I can also see Dolf's problem as to what should be aired. I think that both web sites can be beneficial to all of us who have cadets at West Point. Dolf's site becoming a more informational type of a site and the parents more of a question and answer type site.
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Like having two separate nets with two different approaches. Think Dolf does a great job as gate-keeper.
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I tend to side with Dolf when it comes to Techno-litter..much of the information that is requested on the various lists is already available through one of the lists if the subscribers would simply take the time to become familiar with the mechanizations of said lists.
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There seems to be a fine line between a free and open exhange of information and "techno-litter." I think that if parents want a chat line type of atmosphere, perhaps the new parents-forum is just the thing. I have been amazed and sometimes a bit dismayed in the last few days with the sheer volumn of traffic generated by the parent-forum.
Perhaps this is not the appropriate column of the survey in which to place the following thoughts, but feel that I must get them out to someone.
First, I think Dolf and Judy are doing a fantastic job and I had little to no disagreement with the way the net was being administered. Perhaps there was occasionally a little too strict enforcement of the rules, but without rules we have anarchy.
Perhaps as a career officer who is the son of a career officer and married to the daughter of a career officer, there are many things that we take for granted regarding USMA, the military, and family separations and careers in the military. If the parents of my soldiers bombarded me with the requests for minute information that I have seen on the list, I would not be able to execute my unit's military mission. These Cadets are members of the United States Army just as much as if they had gone down to the local recruiter and gone to basic training at Ft Benning. They are adults and are treated by the Army (and the IRS) as adults. Their duty to the Army is to prepare themselves over the four year period to be leaders of soldiers. Upon commissioning, they will go where the Army needs them. I am very sorry if that is not near your hometown, but the National Command Authority (President) has decided that we will have a military presence around the world, sometimes in remote or dangerous places. Also, military installations are scattered around the country and all of them need bright, motivated young officers (West Point grads???).
Do we need a forum for those parents who can not accept the fact that their child is now an adult and training to lead American soldiers into harm's way? Probably, but do not clutter up an information source that puts out timely, accurate information regarding happenings at the Academy. have a separate list as has apparently now been done. Dolf, keep it up and when I need information, I know I can count on you to provide it. If I want to hear about corfam shoes or lamentations because some Cadet has not written home or the ICQ went down for 24 hours, then I will read the stuff on parents forum.
Thanks for letting me get this off my chest.
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I believe they all serve a purpose. I would like to see better more decriptive subjects on all mail that is posted.
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We think that Dolf's net should stay as it is. I DON'T want to listen to a bunch of whiners.
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Perhaps people who continuosly post message after message of useless chatter, and who refuse to accept that their cadets are capable of resolving 99% of the issues that they raise, could be limited to one posting per week.
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A well-designed, key-word searchable web site with calendars, schedules, FAQ-style info is what is needed. An aggressively open and tolerant parents chat room (a la AOL) is preferable to the listserver -- outdated technology. A members only (password protected) newsgroup (again, string and keyword searchable) would be the best.
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Freedom to ASK QUESTIONS WITHOUT feeling as if you will break some unseen rule. As the parent of a Black-Plebe, there were questions I could od asked that were of interest to me and several hundred other parents of Non-white plebes. But I never asked because I didn't want my feelings hurt.
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No changes - I like it the way it was. I hope Dolf hasn't gotten his feelings hurt. It's tough dealing with all kinds of people. I take it on the chin regularly from parents because I'm a teacher.
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No changes. Dolf, please keep the set-up as it is. Disregard all the whining by the people who have trouble following guidellines.
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None. Between the different nets if feel that all of our needs are being taken care of.
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I'm not sure about the new parent-forum. There's
been a great deal of e-mail from it which I haven't found useful. There've been many comments
made about being able to use the delete key, but
so many times the subject heading isn't clear
enough, and I find that I spend time reading messages which I would have deleted. Dian and Joannie are certainly to be commended for taking this job on themselves. It will be interesting to see how it progresses.
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The system has functioned very well during our relationship over the past 5 years. Our daughter was in the class of '97 & our son is in class of '02. wpp-net and plebe-net have been a comfort and source of a wealth of info. Our recommendation would be to make no changes. Both sources have been efficient and effective thanks to the heroic efforts of Dolf. We cannot express our appreciation and gratitiude adequately.
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Since the development of Dian's forum, I have no comment as to changes in Dolf's list.
I am not interested in paying a fee to a list that will screen and censor comments.
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I have no suggestions for changes. I think everyone is doing a great job. I give Dolf a lot of credit for this great asset. I think he was right about knocking the ride and ticket requests off of the parents net. That was truly aggravating. We don't live close enough to West Point to be able to use sporting event tickets. Concerning the "share the ride" aggravations, when I was in the service, I took care of my transportation requirements, or I just flat didn't go. My mommy and daddy stayed out of my business. These parents ought to let their children grow up. On the other hand, I didn't want anyone to feel hesitant about posting messages. I just made it a personal rule to ask Dolf before posting, and twice, he saved me from embarrassing myself, and my daughter. He was patient, helpful, and he answered my email in a timely manner.
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i think it should be a paid membership.
i believe some of the rudeness shown by members
to dolf, came from freebies.
parent forum, is o.k. but i can already see signs of bad attitude and disrespect among the members.
this thing is wonderful, but i'm of the opinion
that as large as it has gotten that without
structure and - a little discipline, comments
could get out of control.
from what i can see unsubscribes are running at a high rate at parent forum.
i really appreciate what diane and partner are
doing at parent forum, but i believe they will
begin to be stricter as time goes on. with no
discipline the wild ones (probably just a few) will get out of hand.
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Perhaps a little more leeway for "rookie" parents would make it a little less imposing. It seems to have developed a hyperconcern for "techno litter." The intent of the list (communication among the parents) needs to remain the major focus, not keeping the server free of litter.
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More info passed on about individual companies by their tac officers, professors, etc.
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I would like to see a chat line set up for those who just want to chat and exchange information without having all that sent to me. Yes, I have a delete key, but I still wind up viewing most of the contents, much of which is not of particular interest. Then those people who don't otherwise have a life can chat to their heart's content. I've considered unsubscribing to the new parents net, but I'm afraid that I might miss something valuable by doing so.
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I'm confused as to why everything is getting broken up more and more. I'm also confused as to whether we were required to pay or not. I sent money in as more of a donation than as a "dues payment." The AcademyParents site reads that it is free.
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none...both have a place and serve a need.
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I think that both organizations serve different needs and that both are needed. Dolf's forum is more structured, provides more direct detailed information, requires more dicipline, more professionalism, more restraint, but it addresses important needs. The parent-forum is needed to address the emotional needs of the parents and provides a more relaxed and comfortable forum for asking all kinds of questions some of which would be classified as silly, trivial or redundant but serve a basic need for those who ask them. I think we now have a opportunity to serve the needs of all, which in realty the best forum and one which our membership will be willing to support. It is my feeling that if we lose either forum this organization will suffer. I think Dolf caught a lot of criticism for being too tough only because there was not a forum for people to address their emotional needs. Most people understand the need for rules and discipline but when you have emotional needs that aren't being met, it is difficult to think past them.
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Perhaps the parent forum could use some rules to keep down the volumne of messages
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WP-ORG should be the "higher" echelon and all communications and systems enhancements consolidated and coordinated. WP-ORG includes all parents' systems as well as the WP-Forum (graduates' forum). There is a lot of redundancy that can be reduced and possibly a corresponding reduction in workload for volunteers.
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Patience with all concerned. If the communication has to be feared due to intimidation by whomever, it's not worth spending my time on. My Cadet's in the Army. Not me.
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I don't really feel the parents forum has any value to us and if it can't be limited in some way, I will unsubscribe. One change I would hate to see is that we would allow a few malcontents to force Dolf to give up his directorship of the wppnet. He has done an outstanding job and deserves praise - not ridicule. My name is Ronald Crowell and our cadet is class of 1999 and I want it known that I support Dolf and I thank him for his efforts.
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I don't think any changes are necessary to either.
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It would be really nice if there was some way to turn receipt of the chit-chat lists on and off. At times I'd like to plug in and sample what is goin on. If I am away from home for a couple of days, the messages pile up and it is time consuming to separate those messags from the important outside WP traffic that I receive.
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I don't really have time to go through all the emails everday. Therefore I have withdrawn myself from the new parent-forum recently. I guess we all have the freedom of expressing our emotion and feelings.... but I just don't have to time at this point of time. Obviously, I don't want to experience another 65 emails when I came back from a long weekend vacation.
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New parent forum is nice but 60 messages a day is too much. I like Dolf's service but think some questions should be allowed even if they have been asked before. It's easier to ask the questions than it is to go through the whole list of services. Sad but true!
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I find that having a wpp-net, and a plebe-net repetitious. I know that the attempt is to not provide information that is not pertinent, but I can delete it if I so choose. As a plebe parent I was getting all the emails anyway, so I was already receiving a reasonable amount of emails. However, I found that emails that didn't concern me now (ie: Graduation) would be important later, so I would file them for future reference.
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I like the new Parent Forum being a separate list.
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I must admit I was a little intimidated to ask a question on wpp-net but can totaly understand the need for Dolfs rules. I think the changes that have evolved are good and for those whose needs are more of a conversation nature the new forum will work for them.
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I think having a parent forum has helped those persons who have the need to share their experiences with others. I agree that we got a little too disciplined BUT I can now see why. There are a lot of emails on the parent forum that I feel are "silly"- It's easy to use the delete button!
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I would like to see a separate net for chat.
A separate chat net would be nice and people can talk about their cadet's experiences, their experiences and feelings.
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Seems to be too many different lists, such that I'm not even sure where to go for information. For example, if I wanted information on bus schedules, would I have to go to a different list than wpp? Usually, I just email Dolf and ask him. He has always been very helpful. Or when(month/year)to make motel reservations for graduation.....I would probably email Dolf rather than the parent net.
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I believe there is a place for each of the types of
communication. Dolf has been an excellent
moderator and has kept us tuned to the original
intent of his service. I would not want him to feel that he has to give up his place because
he is not wanted. I think coopperation is the
key. Anyone who unselfishly gives up time to
help others has others' best interest at heart.
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none--happy with status quo
only one comment--I never saw the results of the PPW survey--did I miss it? I participated in it and would like to see the results. Thank you.
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less restrictive with help for parents
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Like it as is.
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We can't think of any changes we would like. We do feel that it should be an open forum of questions and communication. No question is a dumb question.
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I would like some heads-up on what's being posted to web sites, as I'm not in the habit of reviewing these every day.
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We personally do not want or have any use for the "new" parent-forum. In the few days it took to unsubscibe, we were inundated with incoming gibberish messages. Yes, you can delete (and we attacked this with zeal), our machine still had to take the time to download and we had to take some care in doing mass deletions.
We prefer to stay on the higher road and subscibe to Dolf's lists. We have no problem sending possibly questionable material through Dolf for a determination of whether or not it meets the criteria for a broadcast. We did this several times over the last few years. May Dolf keep up the great work. Thanx.
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I would like to see Dolf continue with his net service, as it's been so effectively done in the past. Frankly, I do not give the new parent-forum list much chance of long-term success. It won't be long before it will find it necessary to implement some of the same rules found in Dolf's service - or deciding not to do so, it will become non-responsive and irrelevant due to it own weight of insignificant, inconsequential, and duplicative messaging.
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I would like to see the parent-forum stay as it is, make sure Dolf keeps out of it with his one way attitude. We as parents needs other parents comments or help regarding issues that are pertaining to or related to West Point (our kids). I never seen anything on the WPP-net that did not pertain to our kids at West Point. The only thing I see is that could be out of the ordinary was the selling of football tickets or anything that pertained to that (kinda one way, ain't it?
Dolf, deserved all the grief he/her got. As he/her should look back at the email when he/her stated that he/her wanted to see by his comment what would happen. Well you pissed a lot of people off is what happened telling them what they can or can not discuss on the wpp-net. It was I thought designed to help parents discuss issues or find out things that are happening with their kids/young adults at West Point. I thought that that was being accomplished until Dolf decided for some reason that the so called chat/tech-no-liter was to much.
I am a systems manager for a large company and I stayed out of the heated discussion/comments that was going on. But now that this survey has brought my thought back I would like to really express my opion. I seen nothing that was out of the realm of West Point conversation, and seen no reason for Dolf to take the stand that he did, if any one should be disbared it should be Dolf. The only thing I think Dolf does not understand is the meaning of e-mail/chat/tech-no-liter.
To me all these things mean the same except tech-no-liter which is pesty sales people tring to get you to buy this or that, XXX site advertisement, or any other advertisement that is trying to sell you something. (I never seen this come over the net, as Dolf has said).
As far as a chat box, what do you think e-mail is? Another form of chat, except the delay for response is longer than a conversation.
If a membership is what it takes to be apart of wpp-net then I and all the members should have a vote on what can or can not be discussed on the wpp-net not just Dolf (or any single body).
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new forum is good, I was on for several days but was not for me.
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See my comments in paragraph 6 below.
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Leave this open for discussion, as it is.
Have a listing, or info on various groups available, so that we can access the group we need.
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No big changes other than easing up on scolding a little when someone slips on the rules. But too much GOOD info comes through here.
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Keep it coming!
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More consolidation of the events such as: sports, parades, Ike hall.
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Set up a special "Chat Line" for all those bored parents who have nothing else to do but send email to Parent-Forum list.
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I continue to like the format that Dolf has developed.
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The parent-forum which I did not ask to be on is terrible. I find it almost embarassing to read the public airing of frustration by many parents who
publish how often their son or daughter calls, writes or emails (it seems it is never enough for
them). I believe if I ever did that to my son when he was in college it would have ruined a relationship. Imagine if your own parents had a
public forum when you were in your late teens and early 20's -- Johnny's mom would be jealous of
Joey's mom because Joey wrote every day, called
every weekend, etc. These are young men and women
and need to have some dignity and not have details
about them posted for anyone to see.
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all communication should be positive, understanding, and focused on being helpful. Dolf's service has been great and invaluable. I support enforcement of rules- but any negative feedback should be given directly to the offender.
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Doing a fantastic job now, please keep it up !!!
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Pleased with Dolf's system as is.
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Happy with wpp-net and plebe-net
Very disappointed with parent-forum which prompted quick removal as subscribers.
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Needs to be consolidated into a digest version with messages numbered and listed at the beginning of digest.
It''s very annoying to receive 20-40 individual email message via server. Many of my other forums follow this format. It becomes easier to scan the messages that are of interest.
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No changes since the parent forum is now operating
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Now that we have the parent-forum, I am happy, I think I can find what I really need somewhere. I did not like the chastisements found on the Wpp-net----they were more bothersome than deleting something I didn't want to read. Good SUBJECT lines are a real help.
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We're happy now.
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Kick the Parent-Forum off the WPP-Net and let them set-up and maintain their own list server.
If they are going to use the WPP-Net equipment, they should pay their share.
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I think the new parent forum is a good addition (for those who like the direct internet communication). I would hate to see it completely replace the other lists. I suspect that I will unsubscribe from parent-forum before long - not because I don't like it - it's great, but because the "chat line" volume is just too heavy for me. The more "controlled" information sources are much more appropriate for my purposes.
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Didn't appreciate Dolf's pressure tactics to get contributions. Dolf should stop the whining about techno-litter.
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Less repetition and duplication of information. More information on up-coming events.
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I think by forming this new web site, parent-forum, has addressed the concerns and needs of parents of cadets. So far, so good.
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Dolf fails in the mission to **share** info. If he does not feel it is relevent it will not be shared due to his intimidation of the members. The net is not at all user friendly - from the standpoint of parents attempting to get information to the simple administration. Having experienced the parent-forum for a week I now see a far more positive experience. I do not see what value Dolf's nets contribute to the parents. I get messages concerning bus schedules, etc., 2 hrs prior to Dolf simply attaching an intro to the original message. Why not let the originator send directly to the parents (parent-forum) and thus eliminate Dolf's own version of **techno-litter**?
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Parents must ignore and/or delete info when it is given instead of creating a folder in which to file it for future reference. The SAME questions are asked not only years or even months apart but days apart. It is frustrating to receive so much repetitive mail, especially, if someone is trying to use a workplace e-mail address to stay informed. Major domo is the place to find answers for FAQs without sending messages to the entire list.
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I couldn't unsubscribe to the parent-forum quick enough. It's very important to me to be aware of WP schedules and news, (actually my son depends on me for some WP information), but I found the numerous e-mails of such a petty nature to be disappointing and irritating.
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I think there is a place for wpp-net, plebe-net and the parent forum. They all offer a diversity of ways to get information. We hope that the wpp-net and plebe-net will continue as clear and direct methods!
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I love the infomation that is put out by Ann Bray and the very interesting articles written by Allen Borack. It is nice to hear first hand about the happenings at WP. I know Allen is really busy, but more of his insight would be a great enjoyment.
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The only thing that I have trouble with is working the system. I'm not very computer literate(savvy)and how one gets info gets to be an endless hours of pushing buttons and nothing happening.However, I will continue to work and learn. I like those nets that send me know.
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I dropped out of Parent-forum because it became just a chatty place and had no information of any use to me.
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A little less back-biting, please. We are all in this together. People have all different experiences and backgrounds and what one person views as stupid, another parent sees as having in common. I am against the public hand-slapping and the public statements about questions being stupid. There is room for both comm vehicles.
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I wouldl like to request the members of the net to limit their messages so as not to clogged the net with all these litters that sometimes can be redundant and repetitive.
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I am pleased with the nets with which we participate.
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Let us be adults. We all make mistakes from time to time. We also appreciate the enormous amount of time it must take to manage a net. I am appreciative of the efforts and hope my help in the local WPParents Club will payback someone for the time expended by the list managers.
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The Parent-forum for touchy-feely discussion and questions, and posting of requests for tickets and rides. The WPP-net and Plebe-net for FAQs and intelligent questions and replys.
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Respect for each other in doing a service that is needed in it's individual manner and administration.